Ethics and Dating

The philosophy of Acceptance, Compassion, Empathy, and Detachment has been causing a lot of trouble on mASF, the worlds oldest "Seduction" website:

http://www.fastseduction.com/discussion/fs?action=9&boardid=2&read=86638&fid=173

Without ethics, we become psychopaths, and mASF just a training ground:

At the risk of being labled and "emo, fem, ivory tower, pious, intellectual" I'll cite mainstream psychology:

From http://www.minddisorders.com/Flu-Inv/Hare-Psychopathy-Checklist.html

The Hare PCL-R contains two parts, a semi-structured interview and a review of the subject's file records and history. During the evaluation, the clinician scores 20 items that measure central elements of the psychopathic character. The items cover the nature of the subject's interpersonal relationships; his or her affective or emotional involvement; responses to other people and to situations; evidence of social deviance; and lifestyle. The material thus covers two key aspects that help define the psychopath: selfish and unfeeling victimization of other people, and an unstable and antisocial lifestyle.

The twenty traits assessed by the PCL-R score are:

glib and superficial charm

grandiose (exaggeratedly high) estimation of self

need for stimulation

pathological lying

cunning and manipulativeness

lack of remorse or guilt

shallow affect(superficial emotional responsiveness)

callousness and lack of empathy

parasitic lifestyle

poor behavioral controls

sexual promiscuity

early behavior problems

lack of realistic long-term goals

impulsivity

irresponsibility

failure to accept responsibility for own actions

many short-term marital relationships

juvenile delinquency

revocation of conditional release

criminal versatility

The interview portion of the evaluation covers the subject's background, including such items as work and educational history; marital and family status; and criminal background. Because psychopaths lie frequently and easily, the information they provide must be confirmed by a review of the documents in the subject's case history.

Results
When properly completed by a qualified professional, the PCL-R provides a total score that indicates how closely the test subject matches the "perfect" score that a classic or prototypical psychopath would rate. Each of the twenty items is given a score of 0, 1, or 2 based on how well it applies to the subject being tested. A prototypical psychopath would receive a maximum score of 40, while someone with absolutely no psychopathic traits or tendencies would receive a score of zero. A score of 30 or above qualifies a person for a diagnosis of psychopathy. People with no criminal backgrounds normally score around 5. Many non-psychopathic criminal offenders score around 22.


Think about it..... I'd say about half of those traits are strongly associated with mainstream sedcution tactics, things like

"Glib superficial charm" (routines)

grandiose (exaggeratedly high) estimation of self (Alpha Male Theory)

need for stimulation (Self explanatory)

pathological lying (Fake DHV stories, Patterns, etc)

cunning and manipulativeness (See above)

shallow affect(superficial emotional responsiveness)

callousness and lack of empathy (My personal favorite)

parasitic lifestyle (Player Supreme's glorification of financial exploitation of women - leeching off of them, having them support you - basic pimp / MAC lifestyle)

sexual promiscuity (The community raises this to a virtue - it's not the quality, it the QUANTITY)

many short-term marital relationships (This one is borderline - many PUAs reject mariage entirely)

I think we can all agree that Hitler was a psycho. He had no empathy for others, no compassion, and no acceptance. He was a bad guy - an extreme example of what a lack of those things leads to. He seduced an entire nation.

The seduction community was founded by guys who were in my opinion either psychopathic or at least borderline psychopathic personalities. They were geniuses at observing social interactions, then bending those interactions to meet thier own selfish desires. The advent of the internet allowed them to engage in "parallel processing" Psychopaths linking together, testing and sharing ideas across the world.

Read "The Game" and you see two of them clash in real life....

There is valuable, powerful information in this community, but it needs to be tempered with the sort of values I'm talking about. Without them, we become monsters.

With them....well, let's just say I'm getting everything I ever imagined I could get from the women in my life, and more....

The thing is, I give back to them as much or more....